196cc clone vs 212cc Predator
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The rear sprocket is a 50 tooth. The motor is a 10 and there isn't much of a selection for any thing else for clutch. I found an 11 tooth clutch but it's about $100 and would do the opposite. The Jack shaft after that is a 20 tooth on motor side. On opposite side is a 10 tooth and finally a 50 at the rear. It makes for a total of 10:1 gear ratio. I believe the 60 would make it a 12:1. Someone correct me if I am wrong as I am not the greatest at math but I think you divide 10/12 which gives you 83 meaning there should be 17% more torque with 60 tooth over a 50 right? If so that's a pretty good jump in torque.
Many are satisfied with the stock gearing plus a TAV. Others weren't because of the TAV's overdrive function limiting RPM's at top speed. There were a couple guys in the Coleman group who geared to 7:1+ by adding a 72 tooth rear sprocket for their final drive.
In my opinion a good starting point with a TAV would be 10 tooth and a 60 tooth. Then if you still want more (RPM's at top speed) get a 9 tooth.
I do not have a TAV. My thinking is based on what others have said and done to these Coleman's.
In my opinion a good starting point with a TAV would be 10 tooth and a 60 tooth. Then if you still want more (RPM's at top speed) get a 9 tooth.
I do not have a TAV. My thinking is based on what others have said and done to these Coleman's.
I don't think they make a 14 tooth for the 420 chain sprockets. I have only found 10 tooth and 1, 11 tooth that was aver $100. If the sprocket for the jack shaft on motor side could be swapped for a 35 chain sprocket it would allow for a lot more freedom in gear changes using a clutch but don't know if that is an option. Would not be cost effective anyways as by the time you bought the sprocket and a new clutch you might as well bought an Ebay torque converter. I have not looked for gears for my torque converter but believe there are a few options.
I have not bought the 60 tooth rear yet but plan this my self. My complaint with my bike is the lack of torque and a little top speed. Expecting the torque converter and 60 tooth is going to be a good set up.
I have not bought the 60 tooth rear yet but plan this my self. My complaint with my bike is the lack of torque and a little top speed. Expecting the torque converter and 60 tooth is going to be a good set up.
Yup. I build my clone 196s (this is an early 2016 3/4 shaft Hisun) myself. CS Grind Core cam, ARC 303 rod, PVL flywheel w/4°key, 14cc head w/22# springs, billet intake, Ruixing 212 carb w/ 140 emulsion and Gx340 jet, big J header, governor delete, governorless throttle linkage, Max Torque SS/Box Stock 12t clutch, custom spring tensioner and split sprockets. This bike is dubbed "The Predator Getter." Baja Motorsports/Hensim DB30-S chassis.
I had it up for $650 with a fresh built out Gx160 (new 168f block, 168f crank, Honda qx2 cam, ARC long rod, UT2 flat piston, PVL flywheel, billet intake, Ruixing 212 carb with 140 E tube/Gx340 jet, polished Honda gx160 head and header and all I got was people making fun of me and telling me my motor was garbage because I opened the crankcase on it.....
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I decided to keep it when no one would offer more than $300 with the gx160 AND a stock Predator. That's when I sold my Ct200r project and put the 196 on it. I sold the Coleman with a stock Predator and made the sun burnt bike my everyday ride. If I ever decide to sell again I'll post on here for sure. At least people see the value. Maybe my next build will change my mind!