Anybody interested in custom intake manifolds

#24
I have an Eastwood AC-DC 200 amp tig welder I use . Still trying to get my weld skills honed in , but their coming along . Today I've got to try and weld up my stainless chain guard for my nanza .
 
#25
I had a feeling you were using the Eastwood, I have one at home in my garage. It's def a decent machine especially for the price.
At the shop I have my water-cooled machine which has a lot more features than the Eastwood, like independent AC frequency adjustment and high speed pulse. Also I use lanthanated tungsten that works on AC or DC, no more changing out the tungsten for different materials what a time saver! I looked into hooking a water cooler up to the Eastwood and it's actually easier than it used to be, someone makes a torch now that fits.
The cooler allows for a lot more welding, no more stopping because your hand is burning from gas-cooled torch. Also those TIG fingers are pretty nice allow less burns also.

Looks like you are coming along just fine, TIG welding really is all about practice and paying attention, you'll be welding aluminum and titanium before you know it. :thumbsup:
 
#29
what would the advantages be to add an intake manifold on a built 212 with almost everything except for machine work? I'm curious about what the gains would be.
 
#30
Depends if you are just needing it to mount a different carb or want a tuned manifold. Intake tuning is a double edged sword. here is some basics on intake tuning:

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Intake Runner Length Tuning
Contributed by: Unknown
The intake system on a four-stroke car engine has one main goal, to get as much air-fuel mixture into the cylinder as possible. One way to help the intake is by tuning the lengths of the pipes.
When the intake valve is open on the engine, air is being sucked into the engine, so the air in the intake runner is moving rapidly toward the cylinder. When the intake valve closes suddenly, this air slams to a stop and stacks up on itself, forming an area of high pressure. This high-pressure wave makes its way up the intake runner away from the cylinder. When it reaches the end of the intake runner, where the runner connects to the intake manifold, the pressure wave bounces back down the intake runner.
If the intake runner is just the right length, that pressure wave will arrive back at the intake valve just as it opens for the next cycle. This extra pressure helps cram more air-fuel mix into the cylinder -- effectively acting like a turbocharger. The problem with this technique is that it only provides a benefit in a fairly narrow speed range. The pressure wave travels at the speed of sound (which depends on the density of the air) down the intake runner. The speed will vary a little bit depending on the temperature of the air and the speed it is moving, but a good guess for the speed of sound would be 1,300 feet per second (fps). Let's try to get an idea how long the intake runner would have to be to take advantage of this effect.
Let's say the engine is running at 5,000 rpm. The intake valve opens once every two revolutions (720 degrees), but let's say they stay open for 250 degrees. That means that there are 470 degrees between when the intake valve closes and when it opens again. At 5,000 rpm it will take the engine 0.012 seconds to turn one revolution, and 470 degrees is about 1.31 revolutions, so it takes 0.0156 seconds between when the valve closes and when it opens again. At 1,300 fps multiplied by 0.0156 seconds, the pressure wave would travel about 20 feet. But, since must go up the intake runner and then come back, the intake runner would only have to be half this length or about 10 feet.
Two things become apparent after doing this calculation:
1. The tuning of the intake runner will only have an effect in a fairly narrow RPM range. If we redo the calculation at 3,000 rpm, the length calculated would be completely different.
2. Ten feet is too long. You can't fit pipes that long under the hood of a car very easily. There is not too much that can be done about the first problem.
A tuned intake has its main benefit in a very narrow speed range. But there is a way to shorten the intake runners and still get some benefit from the pressure wave. If we shorten the intake runner length by a factor of four, making it 2.5 feet, the pressure wave will travel up and down the pipe four times before the intake valve opens again. But it still arrives at the valve at the right time.
There are a lot of intricacies and tricks to intake systems. For instance, it is beneficial to have the intake air moving as fast as possible into the cylinders. This increases the turbulence and mixes the fuel with the air better. One way to increase the air velocity is to use a smaller diameter intake runner. Since roughly the same volume of air enters the cylinder each cycle, if you pump that air through a smaller diameter pipe it will have to go faster.
The downside to using smaller diameter intake runners is that at high engine speeds when lots of air is going through the pipes, the restriction from the smaller diameter may inhibit airflow. So for the large airflows at higher speeds it is better to have large diameter pipes. Some carmakers attempt to get the best of both worlds by using dual intake runners for each cylinder -- one with a small diameter and one with a large diameter. They use a butterfly valve to close off the large diameter runner at lower engine speeds where the narrow runner can help performance. Then the valve opens up at higher engine speeds to reduce the intake restriction, increasing the top end power output.
 
#32
So in short, minimal gains due to the minimal rpm range.
Nah. The C&P is theoretical, but in practice, gains/losses are broader.

http://image.superchevy.com/f/19749...le-intake-runner-holdner-dyno-results-ls3.jpg

http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/vv170/ParleyBaer/WavePulseRPMChart.jpg

This one is 200cc 4-stroke, in a bit hotter tune than our ditch-pump mills, but hotter versions are crowding it.
http://www.ijstr.org/final-print/ma...And-Development-Of-Variable-Intake-System.pdf
 
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#34
Would be interested in a slant manifold for a Tecumseh 5hp to put on a motorcycle type carb (KeiHin, Mikuni), with slide and needle.

That would mean three fuel circuits vs the butterfly carb's 2. A bit more efficient.
 
#35
Would be interested in a slant manifold for a Tecumseh 5hp to put on a motorcycle type carb (KeiHin, Mikuni), with slide and needle.

That would mean three fuel circuits vs the butterfly carb's 2. A bit more efficient.
I can make it but need to know what carb you are using and what 5 hp your using .
 
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