Are clones just as good as the Hondas?

#23
predator 212 reigns over the Honda over priced bullshit, why spend 400 bucks when,u can get an equal product,for 100? Ur,just gunna,gut it an,fill it's,belly with performance parts anyways!!!!!:thumbsup:
 
#24
I didn't need my reading glasses for that.

Its a question of personal taste at this point.
Its llike argueing Chevy and Ford too.

I could make anything work I guess.
With clones the dye has been struck and I am used to them and I stock a lot of parts and blocks so it would not be practical to switch to something else.
As is 212 and 208 clones cause me grief
 

Motra

Active Member
#25
predator 212 reigns over the Honda over priced bullshit, why spend 400 bucks when,u can get an equal product,for 100? Ur,just gunna,gut it an,fill it's,belly with performance parts anyways!!!!!:thumbsup:
You get what you pay for. The cheap crap engines work fine on a mini bike that gets used 20 hours a year. Put one on a plate compactor that gets used 8 hours a day in the harshest conditions and see what happens.
 
#26
Its hard to argue when you can buy a $100 predator, $80 arc rod and $100 flywheel and still have $40-$50 to spare versus buying a genuine honda.
 
#27
I have an extremely mean built high compression race gas burning, a trillion rpm, clone that has taken severe abuse and its still happy. build it right and have fun. nothing disposable about how much money you can end up in one :)
 
#28
You get what you pay for. The cheap crap engines work fine on a mini bike that gets used 20 hours a year. Put one on a plate compactor that gets used 8 hours a day in the harshest conditions and see what happens.
ha! I'll bet the vibes from a plate compactor is total hell on everything on it!
I have rented tons of them, never really thought about the longevity aspect.
How long do they really last?
 
#32
Give me a small block Chev ( or ford ) with a carb and points in the diistributor and I am coming home.

I might not be so lucky with the Acura if it breaks lol.

I think what it comes down to as I said before is comfort and what you can fix lol.
 

pomfish

Well-Known Member
#33
Will the Acura Engine be around 50 years?

Is a Acura engine better than a Chevy small block???? Probably.
Probably not.
No engine that I am aware of has survived as many upgrades/updates/revisions/reinventions than the Chevy small block.
Ford 260/289/302 lasted a long time, but a short time compared to the Chevy.

The Japanese have no interest in keeping an engine platform the same for any length of time. They will re-tool in a minutes notice (Which is not a bad thing as far as evolution).
I have nothing bad to say about Honda, but it really is comparing Apples to Oranges.
 
#34
Probably not.
No engine that I am aware of has survived as many upgrades/updates/revisions/reinventions than the Chevy small block.
Ford 260/289/302 lasted a long time, but a short time compared to the Chevy.

The Japanese have no interest in keeping an engine platform the same for any length of time. They will re-tool in a minutes notice (Which is not a bad thing as far as evolution).
I have nothing bad to say about Honda, but it really is comparing Apples to Oranges.


That's because Ford actually evolved & said "Hey, SOHC is actually better than pushrods!". That's where Ford's mod motors came in.

The 289 was an infinitely better engine than the 350 anyway. From the factory they were better balanced, could wind higher, made more power per cube & just literally ran forever. The 302's always seemed to come apart a little sooner, but they still would last a long, looooong time. They didn't last because it was literally time to move on from pushrod V8's.
 
#35
The 900 pound gorilla of durability the SOM ( Lister Startomatic generator set ).

The eariest of these were installed in the 1930s for daily service with many still providing stand by power today.

The block base casting dates to just after the first world war adpated from gas to become one of the first cold starting diesels
It also has a richardo designed precup head.

Most last 40,000 to 50,000 hours of service before their overhaul, some as long as 100,000 hours untouched.

This engine has been in constant productiion from 1932 and is expected to be the first and only engine to ever be manufactured for more than a century.

top that......

Starts as soon as it detects a need for power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT_exyuLSpk
 
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#36
That's because Ford actually evolved & said "Hey, SOHC is actually better than pushrods!". That's where Ford's mod motors came in.

The 289 was an infinitely better engine than the 350 anyway. From the factory they were better balanced, could wind higher, made more power per cube & just literally ran forever. The 302's always seemed to come apart a little sooner, but they still would last a long, looooong time. They didn't last because it was literally time to move on from pushrod V8's.
Fords engine machining was superior- or at least that what the old hot rodders say. That is the difference between Clone motors and the real thing. You get what you pay for...or what you don't pay for.

One of the benefits of pushrod engines is smaller height. Less weight too.

They're looking for torque, and they get it with fewer valves, because that's what it's really all about. (Air flow)

DOHC is also more expensive to replace valve train components. If you run hydraulic cam buckets, it's not a huge deal to adjust valves, but solid shims are a very tedious prospect as you adjust for lobe wear.

As an aside, it was Yamaha who came up with the design for Toyota's DOHC 5 valves per cylinder head.

Any engine MFGR could be making OHC motors- in some cases, it doesn't pay to do so, and that includes the Z06 Vette.
 
#37
The most depressed looking head in all history



It speaks to me...
Why don't you take me out more often?
Do tyou think I am fat old and ugly?
You never introduce me to your friends lol...

Generaly I find the best way to guage how long something is giong to last is by oil cpacity.
The more oil itholds the longer it will run.

Next look at he size of the parts.
Big stem valves, heavy iron casting.
thick liners.

Machining is important put if its heavy and rosbut in contruction AND it turns very slowly it will last for a very long time.
Conversly if you you spin the living shite out of something like a clone Honda its life will be very very short.
 
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#38
The most depressed looking head in all history



It speaks to me...
Why don't you take me out more often?
Do tyou think I am fat old and ugly?
You never introduce me to your friends lol...

Generaly I find the best way to guage how long something is giong to last is by oil cpacity.
The more oil itholds the longer it will run.

Next look at he size of the parts.






Big stem valves, heavy iron casting.
thick liners.

Machining is important put if its heavy and rosbut in contruction AND it turns very slowly it will last for a very long time.
Conversly if you you spin the living shite out of something like a clone Honda its life will be very very short.
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
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