I know it's different in different areas but the 2 times I've ventured out on black friday it's been to harbor freight (it's a 2 hour round trip for me) and it was like any other day in there. Around here the only places that get hit hard are selling anything electronic. I went yesterday evening to the grocery store and it was really nice, I was the only person in there. Drove by wal-mart and it full of idiots with police standing at the front door. I came home and ordered everything I wanted from their ad online, supposed to be here dec 7th and I didn't have any problems.