another small update, I just picked up some stiffer foam for the seat, this stuff is called re bond foam and its the same stuff used under carpets but a lot thicker. I had to get it threw a local upholstery shop and buy an entire sheet in order to get what I need and this stuff isn't cheep but I'll eventually use most of this up. this wont be my last project by a long shot. this foam is stiffer than most car seats and its way to firm to make comfortable seat on its own. so I'll need to combine a thick bottom layer of the re bond with a thin top sheet of high density foam to get the firm but comfortable seat I want. I have done the same thing with 2 previous bike seats, one of which being my primary blue bike seen in my avatar picture and I'm very happy with how the seat feels. by the way for size reference that's a full sized foosball table under that sheet. (its big)