Welcome to Quebec

[Newoldstock]

If you were born outside the country, the City of Gatineau welcomes you. But please refrain from bribing city officials or cooking “smelly foods.”

Hérouxville, Que, “immigrant code of conduct” “no female circumcision” and “no stoning of women in public” (which, strangely, implies it’s okay to do it in private).“zero tolerance for cultural and linguistic non-integration.”


I thought you might be amused by these guys.
The French can be so blunt lol.

 

[jbrewton]

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[Oldsalt]

If you were born outside the country, the City of Gatineau welcomes you. But please refrain from bribing city officials or cooking “smelly foods.”

Hérouxville, Que, “immigrant code of conduct” “no female circumcision” and “no stoning of women in public” (which, strangely, implies it’s okay to do it in private).“zero tolerance for cultural and linguistic non-integration.”


I thought you might be amused by these guys.
The French can be so blunt lol.

Let me get this straight.

The French in Quebec, after losing the 'Battle of Quebec' to the English snivel and grouse for a couple of centuries.

Then start throwing bombs and demanding 'separatist' status. The non French speaking majority immediately, in typical Canadian fashion, roll over and play dead and say Okie-Dokie, do whatever you want and secede from the country!!!

All this so they could have their 'ethnic/cultural/originally' touted before all and sundry. Clear to the point of chest pounding. That is OK by me because insane things that happen in foreign countries rarely shock me.

But now you are saying, shockingly, these same folks [Quebecians that previously DEMANDED that they have EVERYTHING that was ever written in the King's English be REPEATED a second time in FROG] are taking issue with another culture that are only demanding the same 'ethnic/cultural' crazyness!!!!!

Well NOS, it seems to me, as a non-interested foreign observer, that these same Frenchies opened the door and set a presidence, Of all people they have no footing to resent even more outrageous cultural practices than their own. A lot of that French cooking smells bad too. I suppose the Canadian government will again roll over and play dead and give the Muslims the right to use razor blades on prenuptial 14 year old females and do a little stoning now and then.

 

[Newoldstock]

No Oldsalt it was stupid funny people stuff that show that redneck mentality can exist in many places.

BTW I am a wee bit offended, my mother tongue is french, having been educated in unilingual french setting for my formative years ( as you might have deduced from my rather excentric spelling and grammer, but I also can butcher a few other languages as required ) but that does not mean. Language does not make you an intollerant jack ass. Thinking like a jack ass makes you an intollerant jack ass......

"as a non-interested foreign observer" I invite you to laugh at the un enlightened, I did not ask you to psychoanalyze them.

 

[Oldsalt]

Well put NOS, I did word my thoughts with less thoughtfulness than is rightly called for. But really, I did not mean to offend YOU. Was hoping you'd respond based on the somewhat twisted facts that I hammered out. It is entirely possible that my view is somewhat warped...but ya gotta admit that The British won the Battle of Quebec. So why did you folks roll over and play dead? For EXACTLY the same thing, secession, we on this side of the border fought a Civil War. Playing separatist is not a thing taken lightly down here.

As far as offending the Quebecians all I can say is that both times I hosted a industrial equipment booth at international exhibitions in that wonderful hole called Quebec I was impressed with ONLY ONE thing; The highest %age of rude jerks that I had ever run across because I did not speak Frog nor eat snails or some other "redneck" crap. The absolute warhead of intolerance since George Wallace. Had to be nice at these times because that is what I was being paid to do. I am now retired and I don't need to hold my tongue.

 

[Newoldstock]

You need to understand a few more things.

The driving force behind Canada becoming an independent country was Quebec. They just did not like the idea of being British. The threat of seperation made a nation. Even our anthem was written in french by a frenchman...

You may have noticed seperatism is quite now.
Probably gone for good since most of the perceived or real injustices have been dealth with.

Yes Quebecers can be ignorant and course.
But try dealing with the french from France. They think we are hicks because of our accent and mannerisms. But the fact is we create more new french words in Canada then Eroupean francophones. Then they grudgingly adopt them.
They are as stuffy as the English in many respects.

I amagine if you went to quebec today, your experience would be much different. People have mellowed since the 70s.
You may not speak frog, but you would be suprised the number of french words you use in American english that trace their roots to the Normans.

Those Eroupean French also made you that nice statue in NY.

 

[Oldsalt]

You need to understand a few more things.

The driving force behind Canada becoming an independent country was Quebec. They just did not like the idea of being British. The threat of seperation made a nation. Even our anthem was written in french by a frenchman...

You may have noticed seperatism is quite now.
Probably gone for good since most of the perceived or real injustices have been dealth with.

Yes Quebecers can be ignorant and course.
But try dealing with the french from France. They think we are hicks because of our accent and mannerisms. But the fact is we create more new french words in Canada then Eroupean francophones. Then they grudgingly adopt them.
They are as stuffy as the English in many respects.

I amagine if you went to quebec today, your experience would be much different. People have mellowed since the 70s.
You may not speak frog, but you would be suprised the number of french words you use in American english that trace their roots to the Normans.

Those Eroupean French also made you that nice statue in NY.

Didn't know that about the French being a force behind independence. But you folks would have made it sooner or later...Hell even India got that done. There are a lot of things I don't know...but I DO know that "ya don't hafta be a doctor to know you're sick". Been to Germany/France and etc. and can attest that they are the exception to the rule.

The nice statue in the harbor was a wonderful gesture. A national treasure. Trust me, everyone in America, from child to old age is appreciative of the great gift. But, in the past century, the lack of appreciation for the lives of tens of thousands of American and Canadian and Australian and Indian & et al solders in WWI and WW2 is dishearteningly obvious. In fact, when push came shove and we wanted just a tiny bit of support for Desert Storm the idiots gave us the finger and worse, actively worked to trip us up. They of course were playing to the 'peanut gallery' within their own borders. They deserved the 400 cars that were burnt in one night in Paris by their wonderful Muslim population because that loving gesture toward them obviously didn't have a long term effect.

 

[Newoldstock]

Didn't know that about the French being a force behind independence. But you folks would have made it sooner or later...Hell even India got that done. There are a lot of things I don't know...but I DO know that "ya don't hafta be a doctor to know you're sick". Been to Germany/France and etc. and can attest that they are the exception to the rule.

The nice statue in the harbor was a wonderful gesture. A national treasure. Trust me, everyone in America, from child to old age is appreciative of the great gift. But, in the past century, the lack of appreciation for the lives of tens of thousands of American and Canadian and Australian and Indian & et al solders in WWI and WW2 is dishearteningly obvious. In fact, when push came shove and we wanted just a tiny bit of support for Desert Storm the idiots gave us the finger and worse, actively worked to trip us up. They of course were playing to the 'peanut gallery' within their own borders. They deserved the 400 cars that were burnt in one night in Paris by their wonderful Muslim population because that loving gesture toward them obviously didn't have a long term effect.

I don't know if one can realy rationalize the wars in the gulf.
At this point its fairly clear more people died there for oil than was justified by the cost.
Even we declined to send a token force for your second midle eastern tour.
And then even you guys decided it was not worth all the trouble.
Once might even extrapolait the French were uhm.... Right and it was a bad idea.

Now with regaurds to the liberation of France from the Germans and the contribution to ending the great war I think you grosely under estimate just how much the right people at the right time apreciate the sacrifices.

They gave us this primo spot to put up a little limestone
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/Vimy_memorial_.jpg

I amaine there are places like that for US servicement too( but I have never ersearch the subject ).

ANd there are many less grand but equaly powerful monuments lke this one, my personal favorite the Brooding soldier in St.Julien
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Saint_Julien_Memorial_2007.JPG

 

[Oldsalt]

I don't know if one can realy rationalize the wars in the gulf.
At this point its fairly clear more people died there for oil than was justified by the cost.
Even we declined to send a token force for your second midle eastern tour.
And then even you guys decided it was not worth all the trouble.
Once might even extrapolait the French were uhm.... Right and it was a bad idea.

And now for the rest of the story:

Bear in mind that I was living in Summerside PEI during Desert Storm. I got to hear it first hand from your countrymen. Got so sick of it I really thought about spitting on the sidewalk or humming "Stars and Strips Forever" so that the Royal Mounted would come and deport me. So your skewed world view is not a surprise at all.

1. Only a true devotee of the federally controlled Canadian News [liberal/socialist viewpoint only] Services would STILL believe we were in Iraq for oil. The indisputable facts are as follows. We [the Evil Warmongering USA] NEVER got a drop of oil!. NOTHING. In fact after the almost 100% American troops liberated the oil fields [that Hussein had set on fire and WE put out] NOT ONE USA company was given ANY contract to fix the damage!!! Not even one! IF [and that is a REALLY big "if"] we wanted the damned oil we would have taken it, rest assured on that point. THAT DID NOT HAPPEN IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. The USA LOST billions in cost [not to mention lives] to save the oil for the people of Iraq. How the facts can still be twisted around to cause an un-medicated person to STILL believe we were after oil is absolutely beyond me.

2. You say quote: "it is fairly clear more people died there for oil than was justified by the cost". What is it to Canada and France and Brazil & etc. what the human cost was to America? As pointed out above, oil was not even an issue other than in the minds of the USA haters. All I can tell you is that the Americans died for ideals far and above what the Third World Nations prefer to believe no matter how twisted the logic. Did you know that the USA lost slightly more than 5000 civilian pilots, due to accidents, whose only duty was to ferry bombers, outside war zones, to the European Theater during WWII?

3. You say that even the USA population has decided quote: "it was not worth all the trouble". I can understand that that would be a nice mantra for the Canadian Government Controlled Media. Goes right along with questions to me, at various times when I stayed in Canada, like "Why do you Americans let people starve in the streets?". NO JOKE! I have been asked that!

I suggest that a person, with even a passing interest, take a look at the map. We cut Islam in half. Iran would really be a big shot if that had not taken place. To the east of Iran is Pakistan...no help for them because they are a threat. To the north is Russia. Can't fool with them guys they ain't even a Muslim state. To the west, in a solid sweep from Russia to the sea is: Turkey [westward leaning since WWII], Syria [Increadable internal problems and no help with Iran's agenda], Saudi Arabia [Absolutely in the Western Capitalist Camp and 100% depending on Infidel Dollars]. Especially now, that it has proved to be a great success only the socialist style geo-strategists continue to lap-up the 'evil oil grabber/inhumane/Mother Teresa/One World Order' tripe.

 

[bigrob]

You guys need your own talk show , Salt & Stock , I would tune in regularly LOL.
Rob

 

[Newoldstock]

You guys need your own talk show , Salt & Stock , I would tune in regularly LOL.
Rob

I would enjoy that very much.
Oldsalt is a pleasure to debate things with because he both articulate and mildly corosive.
I amagine add boat, fishing rod and fine bottle of wiskey and it would be a interstiong way to spend and afternoon.

 

[Newoldstock]

Retort Oldsalt:

1. I read from the globe, CBC, Economist, Newyork times and few French papers and few for articles eastern Eroupe. There is a socialist democratic slant to my grasing but remember I have been reading from a very young age. Generaly learned how to filter out the right wing Conrad Black, Rupert Murdoc BS...

2.Yes a lot of Americans died for oil. And some figueres say as many as 10 times that died as a result of the conflict.
Clean surgical warefare.
Highway of death - YouTube
Can you give me a more clear example of a country where the USA has used as much military might to fight a war or stay as long that does not have oil reserves?
Why not pick a fight with North Korea ( besides probably being a bit tougher foe than Iraq ) a nation that obvioulsy a greater threat to world peace.
I am not saying you are bad guys, just you had an agenda!
And the justification for GW2 the weapons of mass deception have still never been found.

3. The majority of Americans did not decided it was no longer worth it. You got me there I did not ask all 300 million of you...
But you are broke and can't finance wars on two fronts bombing 4 or more countries at once.
Some Americans, the exact figueres I can't quote may have also lost their taste for it.
Conclusion war is not costs effective 4 trillion dollars for what results achieved and how does this enhance us security and interests if not for oil?

Do I care what happens to the USA.
YOUR DAM RIGHT!
I want to see a peacful properous USA.
Because the alternative of an unstable bankrupt former superpower scares the crap out of me.
But with a little effort spent looking after interests at home where your country has a chance to fix things that are in its best interest will result in my friendly neighbor to the south returning to its pre 911 poster and common sence.

And Osama is DEAD, only cost what 4 trillion? and the accidental invasion of a country not even remotely involved to achieve it.

 

[Oldsalt]

I would enjoy that very much.
Oldsalt is a pleasure to debate things with because he both articulate and mildly corosive.
I amagine add boat, fishing rod and fine bottle of wiskey and it would be a interstiong way to spend and afternoon.

NOS knows that I don't so much care about facts as I do about being provocative [I try to anyhow]. Most, I hope, realize that my posts are meant to be at least an interesting [I try to make it interesting] change from the pablum normally sucked up by the masses. I keep wondering why someone doesn't take the time to check up on my "facts" now and then. Hasn't happened yet even though I take occasional liberties with absolute reality.

 

[Square_Chopper]

Am I the only one who's ever read one of these Oldsalt/Oldschool/NOS threads and ever so briefly thought to themselves.....

"Ya know, I bet those two are really just one guy debating with himself under two different user names..... Just to f:censure:k with everybody..."

:shifty:

 

[Square_Chopper]

I keep wondering why someone doesn't take the time to check up on my "facts" now and then. Hasn't happened yet even though I take occasional liberties with absolute reality.

Interwebs mentality.... You call yourself "Oldsalt" so automatically you must be older and wiser and must know what you're talking about. Think about it, in a world where people read wikipedia and take it as gospel knowing any schmuck could've written it, who'd question someone named "Oldsalt"? :wink::thumbsup:

It's actually a whole lot of power to wield if you think about it...

 

[Newoldstock]

NOS knows that I don't so much care about facts as I do about being provocative [I try to anyhow]. Most, I hope, realize that my posts are meant to be at least an interesting [I try to make it interesting] change from the pablum normally sucked up by the masses. I keep wondering why someone doesn't take the time to check up on my "facts" now and then. Hasn't happened yet even though I take occasional liberties with absolute reality.

I never check your facts, but I look for facts to suport my facts no matter who manufactures them.

And thus we hit the crux of yet another fact in the age of persuasion.
You can't and are not suposed to effectively be able to sift through all the sandy grains of true and fiction when the beach is covered in it....

 

[Newoldstock]

You know what realy depresses me about life in 2012?
I can scarcely find a guy who will even discuss these things with me.

I know a lot of people read our banter and might jump in witha short word or two but for the most part DO NOT bring in their own facts and figueres suport or destroying or arguements.

Yes a lot of it is tongue and cheak and in reality I am less marxists and Oldsalt is less conservative libertarian ( I suspect at least ). But why don't others jump in?
Gosh we are actualy debating things that have some traction with where we are and where we are going.

My quote for the day is about economics and belongs to Sir James Goldsmith and his views on how GATT will destroy our ecconomies ( and I think he was right ).
"The economy is a tool that should be suject to and subordinate the fundimental requirements of society. "

This is the sort of thing I would people to debate in another thread I have started.

 

[chadillac]

been there before. beer is cheaper and you can buy it in the corner store like the states, but only intill 1100
:thumbsup::smile:

bien-être des Canadiens français a ses avantages!

 

[Newoldstock]

been there before. beer is cheaper and you can buy it in the corner store like the states, but only intill 1100
:thumbsup::smile:

bien-être des Canadiens français a ses avantages!

But does the availability of Cheap beer made of mostly rice serve the best interest of society?
Does it enhance the general wellness of the American?

I think not, hence the growth of Microbrew and war waged by Giant brewers in foreign lands that own the mass market.

Swamp the masses with cheap beer not good beer available in every corner store.....

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy"...
Benjamin Franklen

 

[chadillac]

But does the availability of Cheap beer made of mostly rice serve the best interest of society?
Does it enhance the general wellness of the American?

I think not, hence the growth of Microbrew and war waged by Giant brewers in foreign lands that own the mass market.

Swamp the masses with cheap beer not good beer available in every corner store.....

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy"...
Benjamin Franklen

''Beer is good, but free beer is better'' Chad
And as for the goverment in canada they can go to hell, they want me to work intill IM 67 now!