HS 40 is the timing adjustable?kicks back)

#1
I tried to fire up the engine in the rupp roadster that I just got..The carb is fubar so I just put a few drops of gas down the spark plug hole to see if she would run..It was very hard to pull over..In fact it seemed like when it would fire it would almost lock up the engine and I would actually lift the rear wheel right off the ground when pulling the cord!..It did eventually run for a few seconds so the engine is mechanically sound..I am wondering if the timing could be too far advanced?..Is it adjustable?
 
#2
im interested to see what the guys have to say as i have a motor H60 that does the same thing. I had the motor apart. There were line-up marks on the cam and gear on this motor. if the inards all line up, and your points are set properly i think your good to go?:shrug: I hope others will chime. Im curious. i not an expert on timing although id like to learn more about it.
 

richs

Active Member
#3
did you take the shroud off to see if it is binding did you remove the flywheel to make sure you didnt sheer the flywheel key:thumbsup:
 
#4
Didn't check anything much on it yet..I seem to recall the rupp I had as a kid doing the same thing..It would kick back and tear the pull cord right out of your hand...I am wondering if its due to worn points?.
 

richs

Active Member
#5
well when you get the flywheel off you will be able to check the points they are some what adjustable but i had one the key sheered but only moved a small amount and caused it to run sparaticly I also have seen to long of the lower shroud bolts dig into the flywheel you just have to take it apart and look for starts
 
#8
did you try the old timing trick that i posted for you:shrug: or still no luck with it.....:shrug:
Thanks for that info Delray..I am waiting for a carb rebuild kit so I can actually try to get it running for more than a couple of seconds..I will report back once I get the carb working and some sort of exhaust rigged up on it..
 
#9
I'm curious to see where this thread goes. I purchased a roadster 2 with a hs40 on it which i will be rebuilding soon.

Oldyeller. Nice bikes! The rupp bug bit me. I love them. :) I have 2 raodster 2's now.

here you go guys. read want randy posted at the bottom page. that should fix your problem.:thumbsup:
http://www.oldminibikes.com/forum/tecumseh-engines/21139-4hp-lighting-coil-question.html
Seems much more complicated now. :confused1:

Thanks for the post delray.
 

newy

New Member
#10
I tried to fire up the engine in the rupp roadster that I just got..The carb is fubar so I just put a few drops of gas down the spark plug hole to see if she would run..It was very hard to pull over..In fact it seemed like when it would fire it would almost lock up the engine and I would actually lift the rear wheel right off the ground when pulling the cord!..It did eventually run for a few seconds so the engine is mechanically sound..I am wondering if the timing could be too far advanced?..Is it adjustable?
Timing could be the issue. However my 70s Manco has a 2004 H40 and this engine has an automatic compression release inside the engine. It's located on the back of the cam gear. I would expect if the mechanism gets jammed or is missing, the engine would be much harder to pull. You'll have to split the case to investigate this one so you may want to try the timing fix first.
 

delray

Well-Known Member
#11
newy, H40 is a big block. total different then a HS40. i don't think his small block has a compression release valve:rolleyes:
 
#12
I don't know about compresion release.. But in the older motor, the compresion release is in the cam lobe... If the valve lash is set too tight, in atempt to delete the compresion release..... Will cause the engine to kick back, if it's running at a real low speed...

Sounds to me like timing too... That is a matter of setting the position of the entire coil pack unit.. It bolts on with two slotted holes.. Ya loosen the bolts some and spin the whole magneto system, and tighten it down.. Counter clockwise will advance the spark because the magnets line up, and points fire sooner....... Clockwise makes everything rotate farther before everything fires, so it retards the spark....
 
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