Raptor 3 salvage

Thepaetsguy

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#2
CAUTION you buy one of these be carful. The oval track was not kind to this raptor. Engine had a ton of track time on it and was worn absolutely thin to the core. 1EDD117A-F2B7-4110-B518-4BDFE62E9005.jpeg
 

Thepaetsguy

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#3
The carburetor was worked over by someone who knew what they were doing and knew how they wanted it. Hogged out with a good bit of epoxy work.

No throttle blade screw is puzzling. And that billet reach around knob on the mixture adjustment screw is neat.

I installed the carburetor onto a new tank and salvaged the redneck sticker also for the new tank because I couldn‘t find a duplicate. B7135C06-FF01-453A-817A-5A802FD30653.jpeg BFC61743-E601-4973-AC9C-01B6E293D8F1.jpeg 6C330D89-36E5-4F09-BAA5-5A1E0A1872E7.jpeg 80AE0631-66B1-4F32-B05E-F0E433E6FA3E.jpeg
 

Thepaetsguy

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#4
Would you believe my excitement when I got home and found that 3hp clements flywheel?

A keen eye would notice it also came with an ARC billet adjustable 5hp flywheel. Didn’t matter that the block was trashed I got my parts worth out of the deal.
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Thepaetsguy

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#5
engine came with a Burris .20 over piston and also Burris ring sets $25 shipped BTW :cool:

It also came with some dynocams of unknown grind I intend to use both cams in future engine endeavors.

Then the misc spare parts clamps bolts etc.. 3BFE992C-D71D-4520-B1F1-08005A246A5C.jpeg 4EEDAAB4-717D-4322-80EC-31C26E41C7D0.jpeg FD81138E-FDC7-4375-9FAF-01F7018BBC0A.jpeg
 

Thepaetsguy

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#8
The 3hp clements flywheel hits 4 non drilled/tapped posts sticking off the engine block itself. I need to grind these posts flush to the block tomorrow and install the flywheel coil etc..

I started bolting stuff together in a haste to clean up and organize not loose bolts and such. Do people still wake up at 5AM?? I was gonna say good night but two hours... I guess I should say good morning. 3E518FFD-1929-4BEF-8B24-A4D19B0D5A88.jpeg 7CF64F3F-D031-49F5-8983-932D5BF73AB5.jpeg
 

Thepaetsguy

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I’m gonna finish up this one and use it for a second engine on the kart.

If either engine gives me problem‘s I’ll take them both off the kart and start searching around for a couple kohlers to swap on.

Even with upgraded hardware and some kind of lock thread keeping things from vibrating loose from a 5hp tiller block is tough for me..

No matter what setup I end up with I always have this feeling somethings gonna vibrate loose and fall off the block and cause problems. More often then not I’m right... It’s getting frustrating. It’s 5hp Briggs specifically.. Never any trouble with the kohlers. 0D4CB5D3-5EAF-4185-9C5A-BCEA2A12CFA2.jpeg
 
#10
Which Kohlers are you spinning without problems?

That Raptor should have been pretty well balanced, so installing all those guts into an IC block should still be pretty close, right?
 

Thepaetsguy

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#11
Which Kohlers are you spinning without problems?

That Raptor should have been pretty well balanced, so installing all those guts into an IC block should still be pretty close, right?
The twin karts. simple big block adapter mounts it all to the stock 5hp kart mount just drill two holes. 20+ hours of seat time there little cars basically. I’ve mentioned plenty before we get miles away from home.
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Thepaetsguy

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#12
That Raptor should have been pretty well balanced, so installing all those guts into an IC block should still be pretty close, right?
Briggs listened to racers having problems and I guess the raptor was there answer.

They beefed up the lifter bores and made the block thicker. the 3 bolt head and all the threads were steel insert. 4 different brackets on top of all that to keep it from shaking loose. That’s of course using the eBay safety wire bolts.

I don’t think the balance was part of it. They just brute forced there way into having a racing 5hp that doesn’t vibrate apart. Dang worn out tiller blocks with already failing bolt threads are HORRIBLE..
 

Thepaetsguy

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#13
Before I put the 3hp clements flywheel on the engine this thread is about I mocked it up on the duel bearing engine.
4.5 rod and Horstman cam matching piston.

I was able to have the duel bearing block repaired local. I have a clements head and flywheel. Now i’m on the hunt for one of his sidecovers to make a triple bearing block. E73206D5-52C8-440A-B2FF-BF8917B94396.jpeg 7C9278ED-8FCF-4E8B-AE49-7FAB778740C9.jpeg 41106347-882D-4A09-9E7F-B11DFE09C227.jpeg 5363EFB2-F224-4840-AF1C-EEF2040C5789.jpeg
 

Thepaetsguy

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#15
Cool build. I admire your late night passion. So does that extended connecting rod turn your engine into a stroker?
I don’t know actually. Maybe I’m wrong but I believe you can buy actual stroker cranks for 5hp’s from ARC

I found while assembling everything the wiseco piston is for a shorter rod. I had milled the block eyebrows before I figured that out. The top compression ring nearly leaves the bore entirely near the eyebrow area. I know next time not to mill till I measure some stuff beforehand. But no trouble so far

If I had somehow got ahold of an actual stroker crank I for sure would of needed a shorter piston or rod. The piston hit the head without a gasket installed. Didn’t hit with one installed. If any of the 5hp’s I use give me trouble I’m giving up on them.. The kohlers just don’t die..

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#16
The long rod is supposed to make more power by reducing the angle of the rod, and reducing side force and drag of the piston against the cylinder. It would not change the stroke, just requires a piston with the pin in the correct location.
 
#18
Seems the angle of a long rod might also create some clearance issues at the bottom edges of the cylinder, like in the photo of the damaged raptor block, above.
You are correct, sir. The bottom of the cylinder needs to be checked, and often ground for clearance with the longer, thicker rod.
Most race parts are not "drop in" bolt on parts.
 

Thepaetsguy

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#19
You are correct, sir. The bottom of the cylinder needs to be checked, and often ground for clearance with the longer, thicker rod.
Most race parts are not "drop in" bolt on parts.
Two small posts on the ignition coil body need ground off to fit the bracket.
Non tapped posts need cut from the block to clear the some 3hp flywheels. The exhausts I used have a file to fit bolt pattern.

A lot of work and it shakes the tank loose.. The exhaust falls off. Then the threads in the block are trashed.. raptors used steel insert threads and brackets but used a crap rod that breaks and wrecks the block. They failed that task successfully.
 
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