Hmm... so are they just confused about their own product line? If that’s so, how can We believe anything, whether in person, or in writing on their certificates, or on the web? I asked ray and John when they started making the choppers and they said early 2000’s. You say 1997? Does anybody have the real story ? 1 of 20, or 1 of 40, or 1 of 200, pretty wide numbers...