I've put a lot of miles on a motorcycle without all that stuff. Of course, that was when I was a kid out here in the country. When I got grown and got a Harley, by law I had to wear a helmet. I don't mind the helmet, but I do support ABATE and a persons right to choose if he or she wears one. I even mow wearing flip-flops- well not when SWMBO is home and watching:smile:. Tim.