DIY Mini Bike Glass Pack Style Muffler/exhaust

#21
I had a mini bike in the seventies that had a piece of chrome 2 inch pipe behind the muffler. There was a piece of expanded metal rolled into about a 1 inch tube, wrapped with fiberglass that I could install or remove. There was a sheet metal screw on the bottom to hold it in place. It sounded like a hot rod with the baffle removed. It was really quiet with new fiberglass installed. Hardware cloth would be easier to bend. The chrome tailpipe was under the seat, about 18 inches long. you can buy a chrome extension like that from most part stores.
 

nightgrider

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#22
I had a mini bike in the seventies that had a piece of chrome 2 inch pipe behind the muffler. There was a piece of expanded metal rolled into about a 1 inch tube, wrapped with fiberglass that I could install or remove. There was a sheet metal screw on the bottom to hold it in place. It sounded like a hot rod with the baffle removed. It was really quiet with new fiberglass installed. Hardware cloth would be easier to bend. The chrome tailpipe was under the seat, about 18 inches long. you can buy a chrome extension like that from most part stores.
If I'm picturing this right in my mind. Like a hotdog style muffler with an extention clamped to it. The extension acts is like a glasspack. So essentially running 2 mufflers.
 
#23
That is correct. The rear muff has a removeable "glass pack" that will not hurt performance or jetting. I do not think the extension was even clamped to the muffler. It was mounted under the seat but it was not tight to the muffler. I remember the fiberglass got black, greasy and yucky so it needed to be changed occasionally. It had a cool blub blub sound without the baffle in it and whenever I put the newly wrapped baffle in it, it was spooky quiet. I think this is what some of you are looking for.
 
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nightgrider

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#24
That is correct. The rear muff has a removeable "glass pack" that will not hurt performance or jetting. I do not think the extension was even clamped to the muffler. It was mounted under the seat but it was not tight to the muffler. I remember the fiberglass got black, greasy and yucky so it needed to be changed occasionally. It had a cool blub blub sound without the baffle in it and whenever I put the newly wrapped baffle in it, it was spooky quiet. I think this is what some of you are looking for.
Awesome! Similar to stories I've heard of people back in the 70's running multiple mufflers on there street machines to make them more of a sleeper. No one expects a quiet car to be built. Also falls in line with exhaust theory where you only need to tune to your first exhaust restriction. What comes after that doesn't seem to matter much. Wish I had more time. I'd build up some different designs to test.
 

Minimichael

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#28
I had a mini bike in the seventies that had a piece of chrome 2 inch pipe behind the muffler. There was a piece of expanded metal rolled into about a 1 inch tube, wrapped with fiberglass that I could install or remove. There was a sheet metal screw on the bottom to hold it in place. It sounded like a hot rod with the baffle removed. It was really quiet with new fiberglass installed. Hardware cloth would be easier to bend. The chrome tailpipe was under the seat, about 18 inches long. you can buy a chrome extension like that from most part stores.
This is interesting, Sparkwiz. So the muffler was simply lined up and pointing into this 2x18" chrome pipe... And there was the other 1" perforated tube you could wrap in fiberglass or cloth, to restuff the chrome pipe... And was that one 18" as well?
 
#29
Correct! One sheet metal screw in a hole in the bottom of the chrome pipe, long enough to hold the baffle in.
I thought you would like this idea, based on a few comments you made about neighborhood riding.
Actually, the chrome pipe slid over the hot dog muffler but was not clamped. I suppose it could be welded or otherwise attached.
 

nightgrider

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#30
Correct! One sheet metal screw in a hole in the bottom of the chrome pipe, long enough to hold the baffle in.
I thought you would like this idea, based on a few comments you made about neighborhood riding.
Actually, the chrome pipe slid over the hot dog muffler but was not clamped. I suppose it could be welded or otherwise attached.
From what you describe it makes me think of the chrome tailpipes on the fox campus mini bikes. But I believe that is just a tailpipe no baffle. Though the ad does say "tuned exhaust".
 

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#31
Same idea except mine was straight and pointed straight out the rear under the seat. I do not know what the bike was, but I do think the pipe was original. Mush easier to install the baffle in a straight tube.
 

Mr. Pink

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#35
Back when I was into RC aircraft, some of us were using a universal tunable muffler.
Noise and back pressure were adjustable by adding and removing baffles.
I don't see why this concept could not be applied to a mini bike engine.

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#36
Mr. PInk, I am sure it could be applied, but you said "back pressure". Any change in exhaust pressure on a small 4 stroker might require jetting changes. A quick and easy exhaust mod that requires a tedious and exacting fuel system adjustment is no longer quick and easy.
I do like your suggestion. Might contact you about some cooperation. Dave
 

Minimichael

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#37
These are great ideas for aftermarket solutions though! So yes, cool stuff, as usual, from both DaddyJohn and Mr. Pink. Back pressure and performance (and I'm hearing jetting) are so intertwined that maybe you could go too far (ie: restrictively) with the baffles? Or at least a point where you have so little permeability that flow performance really begins to be impacted, and jets can no longer save you (or your sanity, at the very least)? And here it seems glass threads could be more forgiving in terms of pressure... I admit that I'm totally green here, but also wondering if I might keep jetting and performance the same but quiet the ride by just pointing the exhaust at a fiberglass-stuffed enclosure? (An overgeneralization I kno..)
 
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#39
These are great ideas for aftermarket solutions though! So yes, cool stuff, as usual, from both DaddyJohn and Mr. Pink. Back pressure and performance (and I'm hearing jetting) are so intertwined that maybe you could go too far (ie: restrictively) with the baffles? Or at least a point where you have so little permeability that flow performance really begins to be impacted, and jets can no longer save you (or your sanity, at the very least)? And here it seems glass threads could be more forgiving in terms of pressure... I admit that I'm totally green here, but also wondering if I might keep jetting and performance the same but quiet the ride by just pointing the exhaust at a fiberglass-stuffed enclosure? (An overgeneralization I kno..)
If that was a question, I am sorry for not answering with my opinion.
That pipe and many others I have used and installed for other riders did not seem to change performance or fuel calibration. (edit() on stock carbureted governed engines.
 
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