Made In America

#3
What about me?
Or the other people who both consume and suply US buisnesses and products?

What about the English fellow or the Dutchman?

If you can expand a thought for a moment buy from people that enjoy the same sort of rights freedoms and standard of living as you do and we all have jobs.

Just don't buy any base metals from the great satan of mining ( and my employer ) VALE.
Expand on that a moment too....
Don't buy from evil companies that abuse human rights with their international opperations. Avoid companies that move their head office to avoid the tax man.

Just my thoughts.

I do 75% if my online shopping in the USA.
Screw Walmart.
 
#8
This is one of the many reasons chinese products are cheaper.

Asian press people - YouTube
In the USA that job would have been automated.

One thing Cheap Chinese imports did do for a little while was clamp a lid down on inflation. Their products actualy made it cheaper for a lot of people.

There are two sides to a coin though a factory job cheap enough to outsource to China is probably done in the west with 1/5 the wrench time here. The difference is they worked for 1/10 the wage or less.....

I don't know how many of you pay attention to whats happening in China right now but there is a big housing bubble about to burst. Wages are not being paid, overtime is cut and inflation is very high....
There are significant wild cat strikes in many cities and the people are not happy.
Why?
Because with no one buying the cheap crap in the USA or EU no one is ordering it.....

Bosses and factory owners are disapearing. When the banks in China raised intrest and tightend loans many shadier types stepped in to shark out opperating capital. Now they want their mopney back from companies that are in hock from trying to grow to fast.

With all this massive effort put into trying to re create the Japanese miracle the Chinese forgot one thing....
They Japanese ecconomy stagnated and deflated when wages closed the gap and domestic consmuption did not keep up with declining exports.

China is now a net importer, but with an artifcialy low currency peg to a US dollar that is itself in decline and everywhere is a wash is funny money printed like mad....

So things aint so rosy anywhere ( Unless your a banker )......

The light at the end of the tunnle is on however, Us ecconomy is slowly stable and if Eroupe can keep from exploding we just might see things slowly start to recover over the next 10 years or so.

Just a fluke I notice this in the globe this evening
Rebellion builds in blockaded Chinese village - The Globe and Mail
This is just a mild symptom of whats wrong with that country.
The fact you and I hear about it at all shows how the system is rotting from the top down and sooner of later they will face general strikes
 
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Great plan but I noticed the guy's using a Hitachi nailer in the vid. :doah:
Its a quality tool.
Made in Japan by someone who earns a decent living is not all bad.

Your never going to turn the clock back to the 50s and 60s.
That was never a normal condition in the first place.

Think about it:
Japan and germany were both in ruins, as was most of Eroupe. Those who were not Under Stalins yoke were never players in industrial production to begin with.

But it was not an issue because resource prices were in decline, energy was cheap the USA exported to every nation on earth because everything was in short suply because of the war reconstruction.

The real change began in the 1970s with the return of eroupe and japan as industrial powers.

The real end to industrial expansion began then and the decline followed in the 80s.

Its only now that you have run up these big debts that you can borrow anymore to fuel growth.

Those post war conditions will never return.

Deregulation and free trade simply sped up the process.
Thats capitalism, thats the way it works unless you create a trading block to exclude cheap labour from places like China from atracting all the manufacturing jobs.

If everyone was on the same level we would have a lot less problems right now but I donp;t think that will happen untill we decline to the level of China and India while they try and catch up.

But thats another thing that can't happen since there are not enough resources for 7 billion people to live an American style standard of living.

Sorry if I sound negative, but its going to be a long hard fight to keep from falling back further and its only if we are lucky that will will manage to tread water.

Things are a little different up here.
We have resources, energy and are a net exporter.
But these things will only last so long before we face a simmilar decline in standard of living and employement. Might even happen sooner if we sell out everything to multinationals at the rate we are loosing buisnesses up here.

Thats all
No more negativity.
But its a very simplistic view that buying American will solve all your problems.
Number 1 problem is the USA must import everything from Oil to Iron, just like China this causes suply shocks and high inflation.
 

Oldsalt

Well-Known Member
#11
The rumors of the death of the USA have been greatly exaggerated. The fact is that we are alive and well...in comparison, for instance, to the EU. They are now going into a predestined crunch that ALWAYS happens to socialist countries. They are simply following the South American socialist counties in their decline. Numerous individual EU 'members' are going tits up...even Germany is in serious trouble without an easy way out. These socialist countries that levy extreme taxes upon their industries and producers to finance give-a-ways to not so good producers [to have a 'fair' society] have now hit the end of their leash and have to pay the piper. By comparison the US has a lot of oil and does not have to import as much China and Japan and all of the loonies in the EU [Europe]. Our natural resources are incredible in comparison to the rest of the world. Being the most wealthy and powerful nation on earth does not make for popularity amongst the poorer nations so they made a lot of noise [gleefully] about our short term troubles. Lately there jaws have not been slapping so much on the subject.

As NOS points out China has to figure out a way to make a 'soft landing' with their economy. Too hot and for too long of a time. They waited several years too long in starting the 'cooling down'. Looks like a crash is coming in that socialist country [even though they claim to be a Commie country they are only a bright pink like Canada or El Salvador and not entirely red].

I recall when the same folks [liberal press], years ago, were proclaiming that Japan was going to Eat Our Lunch. We were goners. Didn't happen. As Japan found it necessary to pay higher wages to their people to keep revolution from taking place. The price of their exported goods rose to the point that they were no longer the 'low price leader'. So Taiwan took over the as the 'cheap labor/low buck' manufacturing center. Same thing happened again...they had to become a developed nation rather than a third world slave camp. Then enters China. Now the writing is on the wall for them. So who will be next? Probably India. They have the cheap labor force plus they have a large segment of their population speaking English [Sorry France...English became the International language] and they are governed by a western type government and their laws and economic system is based on Anglo-Saxon law [Probably the best thing that ever happened to India was being an British Colony!]. Plus they are 'Westward leaning' which means it is relatively safe to invest capitol there.
 
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