I was wrong about the 2 they are not exactly the same. One has a kickstand and the forks are a little narrower on the one. Also one has the bar go all the way across for the footpegs and the other one has movable foot pegs and it doesn't go across the frame. Not sure if that makes a difference as to them both being ruttman. Trying to find some info online as to what they looked like so I have an idea on how to restore them. thanks