I now have the "right to work"

[Newoldstock]

I am a union thug.

I work for bad people who hire goons and scabs.

You reap what you sow, because I used to be a different person.
Dead friends and a year on the picket line will do that too you.


Too many edits an rewrites.
Depending on what version you may have read lest just say I hate my employer and just want my pension now and I hope the managers all burn in hell....

 

[125ccCrazy]

I been in the UAW for nearly 29 years, when I first hired in the union would go toe to toe with the company, now the company tell the union what to do.... we have lost so much over the years in benifits, bonuses, vaction pay etc... and now we cannot take a day off sick even with a doctors excuse without getting an accurance.... the only excuse not to be there is to be dead or darn near to it in the hospital..... we'll see how a two tier pay scale is gonna work this year after we get called back to work... the new hires will make about 50% less than us and less benifits, no pension and will be doing the same work.... I don't see that going real well.... gonna be alot of tension on the floor....:doah:..... sure glad I have one more year and I can walk if I want to...

 

[jeff4298]

My wife just lost her union job working at a grocery store here in NJ. The store wanted pay cuts the union without asking the members said no way! The result over 200 people out of work. Most everyone would have taken the pay cut to keep the job and more importantly the benefits. So no thanks to the union for their help. I also have worked in construction for over 30 years and never was union and made a good living at it. The only time we had problems with the union was when they were out of work then they would hassle us.

 

[The Restore Kid]

I don't know, I guess it goes either way.. The unions have done a LOT for people and the class of the job your doing.. Less likely to heave 600 horse power Caterpillar engines into place by hand anymore..

BUT, it's like ya say, you GOTTA JOIN the union, and hell, a lot of them ARE crooked, won't do CRAP for ya but take dues..

Then ya even have cases where the Union does TOO MUCH for you.. I mead GD!! to work at Oldsmobile, :mellow: you literally had to be ON A LIST, put there, by someone WHO ALREADY WORKS THERE and recommended ya... Hopefully by someone whos been there 40 years and is a CEO.. :laugh:

Then if ya get in.. Your STARTING pay is like 18- 19- 24 bucks per hour.. JUST TO WORK there... EVERY 46 million people, who puts on three 10 millimeter nuts each, each car, 15 times a day... :facepalm:

And people WONDER WHY they can't go buy a new car, because they are 4 billion dollars.. :doah: Whatever happened to a brand new 700 dollar Model-T ??? :shrug:

People got nothin to do..

OPE!!! robot broke down.. Can't screw on a 10MM nut by hand, I might get carpel tunnel syndrome.. :sad:

Guess I'll sit here and read the newspaper for $37.89 per hour.. :facepalm:

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MAYBE... Hopefully, the law will allow unions to continue, and work for their workers.. BUT!! they'll actually HAVE TO TRY and get it right, as people are gonna say :thefinger: Your union buddy... Straiten your self out and I might think of joining... :shrug:

What have you done for me, lately?? :laugh:

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One thing I DO KNOW FOR A FACT would help Michigan just an exponential amount, hmy: Is we should take that Rick Shyster and fire him out of a cannon at the Ambassador Bridge and put Elmer Fudd in power... Or a rock or or stack of shingles or SOME DAMN thing..

Because THAT GUY is a crook, useless douchebag prick that only passed that law because breaking the unions helps out his billionaire asshole buddies..

Friggin HATE that guy.. :glare:

 

[45t]

My wife just lost her union job working at a grocery store here in NJ. The store wanted pay cuts the union without asking the members said no way! The result over 200 people out of work. Most everyone would have taken the pay cut to keep the job and more importantly the benefits. So no thanks to the union for their help. I also have worked in construction for over 30 years and never was union and made a good living at it. The only time we had problems with the union was when they were out of work then they would hassle us.

Hostess had problems recently with unions striking. Hostess said go back to work or were shutting down. Union said no and Hostess is gone. I think the news said 14000 are out of a job. I watched some of the footage on tv where they were interviewing the strikers and most were dumbfounded that now they didn't have a job at all. They didn't understand to consequence of the action. Now what are they going to do and right before the holidays. The union angle didn't work for them that day.

 

[quiklids]

Hostess had problems recently with unions striking. Hostess said go back to work or were shutting down. Union said no and Hostess is gone. I think the news said 14000 are out of a job. I watched some of the footage on tv where they were interviewing the strikers and most were dumbfounded that now they didn't have a job at all. They didn't understand to consequence of the action. Now what are they going to do and right before the holidays. The union angle didn't work for them that day.

Unions didn't kill Hostess...mismanagement did...several times-

Interstate Bakeries borrowed money and bought Hostess from Purina in 1995. They then transferred the debt that they used to purchase Hostess to Hostess and then declared bankruptcy in 2009. Bankruptcy allowed the executives to raid the worker's pensions to give themselves an 88% raises and golden parachutes. The executives then tried to crack the workers more and the union wasn't going for it. Vulture capitalists call what they do "leveraged buyout". It would be as if I borrowed money to hire someone to mow my lawn and then transferred my debt to the gardener.

To add insult to injury, the day 14,000 people got layed-off, Federal Bankruptcy Judge Robert Drain (how fitting) granted approval to bonuses of $1.75 million for Hostess Brands executives as they organize the liquidation of the company. Anybody else see anything wrong with this picture?:shrug:

Don't get me wrong. I'm not exactly a big fan of unions. I got layed-off after 18 years with the company. I was out for a year before I applied and got rehired by the same company, same job for the same money, but had to pick up stakes and move the family 1500 miles away. Because it's a different union...NO seniority. Only good thing was I kept my company time, AND I'm working...and thankful.

 

[Newoldstock]

OPE!!! robot broke down.. Can't screw on a 10MM nut by hand, I might get carpel tunnel syndrome.. :sad:

Guess I'll sit here and read the newspaper for $37.89 per hour.. :facepalm:

Some people do not realize that repeditive jobs cause strain injuries.
The damage is real and culmulative.

Even the great Satan of mining knows that and had at one time a repeditive strain injury program. Back then we called it white hands.....

If your very careful and use the minimum force to do a task ( seriously ) avoid things that shake you to hell ( like power tools ) and avoid lifting anything heavier than 50 pounds you will see your old age with a functional body.

In practice we are expected to lift a lot more than that over our heads.
The tools all shake you till your fillings are loose and you need the grip of a Gorilla to tighten things.
Assembly line work is just as hartd ont he body.
Ask an Autoworker.
Its not so easy just because you see women and smaller people on the line with bigger guys.

 

[Newoldstock]

here is the trueth.
Like it beleive it or deny it.

This is what is happening.

(Newser) – Corporate profits are soaring in the US, yet the economy is depressed. Why? Because capital is doing fine at the expense of labor, Paul Krugman observes in today's New York Times. Yes, that sounds like "an old-fashioned, almost Marxist sort of discussion," but it's the reality we're seeing, and there are only two possible explanations: "robots and robber barons." On the robot side, there's the argument that technology is displacing and devaluing even the most highly skilled employees—"the downside of technology isn't limited to menial workers."

The other possibility, Krugman writes, is that "robber barons" have created monopolies that allow them to raise prices without increasing wages. But the Financial Times sees the two explanations as related. Technology "is reducing the natural employment rate," it argues. "But rather than our subsidizing those who have lost jobs to technology, so as to spread that mana wealth that's literally dropped onto the surface of the earth," companies are using their muscle to "extort rents on the capital that is creating all that free wealth." For much more, see the sources, and this earlier Krugman post.

Link to other post.
Rise of the Robots - NYTimes.com

This is the only reasonable explanation I can give you of how we got this point.
Read Jeromy Rifkin's Book the End of work....
He also talks about it and the strugle Organized labour had with this concept as early as the 1960s.
They chose retraining as the patgh forward not the more frightening marxist sounding ideas like wealth redistribution.

I think they chose wrong....

 

[catfishman]

my brother was a member for uaw, he worked at general motors for 18 years. he would go to the bar before work, and drink several beers. then he would fill up his big cup with beer before going into work, and on breaks, plus he would smoke some weed if he or someone had it. so he was drinking on the job. he eventually got suspended so many time, he was sent to go to anger management for 30 days once. anyway after so many suspensions, they said they would not bring him back to work. well they did give him the buyout offer, i think it was like $130,000 or $120,000. could not believe what he got away with there.

i am presently a teamster working in a warehouse, 3rd time with the company, was laid off twice before, they liked my work, they did not have to bring me back, nor did i have to go back. when i went back this last time, when i was laid off before they had a new contract, well guess what, they agreed to a 2 teir pay scale. so i am really making about 7 dollars an hour less than the other people above me in seniority. so now the only thing i like about the union is i do have some seniority above others.

 

[dajsnipe]

A few years ago my dad toured the corvette plant in Bowling Green KY, after asking the guide several times why there were so many workers sitting on their arses reading the newspaper he got a straight answer
-when the plant was built the UAW (usually a**holes whining) said it would require 1200 personnel to run, GM said it only needed 900. UAW said 1200 or they strike. So everyday 300 extra people show up, get paid, and not do a darn thing.
Unions cut their own throats

 

[Newoldstock]

" Driver "

Is one of the jobs Automation has its sights on next.
Millions will be left unemployed when one " Driver " supervises a small tail gating convoy of several trucks.
His job won't be a driver he will be the trouble shooter that changes the flat tyre or makes corrections for problems.
He will also unload the truck....

The taxi will follow.....

Then your own car will drive itself.
And maybe you won't even own one because its cheaper to lease a car that come to you when you need it and moves on to the next job when you dropped off at work.

I don't thnk people get this technological displacement and globalization thing at all...
And all the tax cuts to buisness in the world will do nothing but concentrate the welath at the top...

Here in Canada they say big buisness is sitting on a Trillion dollars with no idea what to do with it.
Can't give it to the share holders they will be taxed...
Dump it in th stcok market thats an idea because it always makes your money grow.
But even the trades are done by machinese and the people just run the scams...

But no one gets it....
I built probably one of the first consoles for an automated LHD in the world.
About 20 years ago it was......
( LHD is a boig fron tend loader used in mines ).
Teh project ended in failure because the bnest technology of the day was just not up to thje task and the system was very difficult to keep running....
We designed it in house with the worlds first robotic truck too ( the Little stobie Electric truck ).

But you never hear of them sadly they are all gone.
All but one of the LHDs, its a modified 1990s Copco ST700 resting quietly in a garrage on 5800 level at Creighton mine.
It shoud be ina museum though...

And here is the technology today just like the one I built.
Perhaps the coolest feature of the Scooptram ST14 is that it is almost fully automated. A skilled operator is needed to load the Scooptram ST14 from the control station, but once loaded the machine can automatically haul the rock through tunnels, dump it, and return to the loading site on its own, with no need for an operator!
Perhaps the coolest feature of the Scooptram ST14 is that it is almost fully automated. A skilled operator is needed to load the Scooptram ST14 from the control station, but once loaded the machine can automatically haul the rock through tunnels, dump it, and return to the loading site on its own, with no need for an operator!
http://www.energydigital.com/global...-robotic-virtual-mining-machinery-equipment-0
The autonomous Scooptram ST14 addresses several problems posed with manual loaders. “Driving loaders is monotonous and tiring, from the noise and vibrations. It's not much fun, and it's dangerous," says Sverker Hartwig, Vice President, Technology, Atlas Copco Construction and Mining Technique. ?"When you use female operators on the [manual] Scooptrams, you use less fuel and less rubber," says Hartwig. "
The autonomous Scooptram ST14 addresses several problems posed with manual loaders. “Driving loaders is monotonous and tiring, from the noise and vibrations. It's not much fun, and it's dangerous," says Sverker Hartwig, Vice President, Technology, Atlas Copco Construction and Mining Technique. ?"When you use female operators on the [manual] Scooptrams, you use less fuel and less rubber," says Hartwig. "

And soon it suspect it will even load itself ( I just hope it doesn't have a nervou break down like one of our early machinese did and commit suicide by diving down an ore pass )

Good job driving a LHD bonus included you used to make over 100 grand 10 years ago.
But thats changing fast...
Now its just a job that shakes the shit out of you and makes you piss blood from shaking your innards so hard ( part of the reason it was a good high pay job because it was hard on the body ).

And thanks to modern digital technology and the internet.
A woman in Mexico can be paid 12 dollars an hour to run three of them in Canada.

That should realy make you think and shudder......

Its not the unions fault.
Its all our fault because we thought if we ignored the problems and suimple deregulated everything Capitialism would sort it all out and our wealth would grow.
Are you still swallowing that bullshit story?
Still think the wealthy and big buinsess need tax cuts and handout?

No?

Maybe we need to bust more unions then.
Get rid of more regulations.
That sure worked good in the banking and financial sector didn't it?

They blew up the economy and then we bailed them out.
And as we all go broke together they want more cuts to everything and less regualtions.

 

[Newoldstock]

A few years ago my dad toured the corvette plant in Bowling Green KY, after asking the guide several times why there were so many workers sitting on their arses reading the newspaper he got a straight answer
-when the plant was built the UAW (usually a**holes whining) said it would require 1200 personnel to run, GM said it only needed 900. UAW said 1200 or they strike. So everyday 300 extra people show up, get paid, and not do a darn thing.
Unions cut their own throats

Funny.
I notice the average boss spends more time sitting on his arse.
I wonder how much time the average CEO spends actualy working?

Here is some good sittin gon your arse numbers from BHP&B


This is just for sitting in an air plane....

Second, the revised policy reflects the extensive travel required, not only to attend meetings of the Board but also to review company assets. The travel burden does not fall equally on all directors and accordingly the fee structure has been designed with this in mind.

The new fee structure is as follows:
-- A new base fee of US$60,000 per annum;

-- An additional fee of US$1,000 for each board meeting attended;

-- Travel allowances of US$1,000 for travel that is more than 3 hours but less
than 12, and US$2,500 for travel greater than 12 hours. No allowance will be
paid for travel that is less than 3 hours.

Full document here.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/BHP+B...Senior+Management+and+Corporate...-a085386295
This of course does nopt cover the goos stuff like food entertainment and hotels..



http://www.thefreelibrary.com/BHP+B...Senior+Management+and+Corporate...-a085386295

 

[dajsnipe]

Funny.
I notice the average boss spends more time sitting on his arse.
I wonder how much time the average CEO spends actualy working?

they can go to :laugh:

 

[TeamCheap]

Well I have to say I didnt expect it to be so lopsided of a response.

I know the unions actually were very good and useful when they started out but now they are just another greedy group that doesnt want to give up what they have stolen IMO.

 

[Newoldstock]

Well I have to say I didnt expect it to be so lopsided of a response.

I know the unions actually were very good and useful when they started out but now they are just another greedy group that doesnt want to give up what they have stolen IMO.

AT its worst a Union is a selfish form of socialism.

Who are the real theives?
Come one now....

Who?

Goldman Sachs maybe?

Remember not only did they get your bail out money , but as the world was blowing up around the sub prime margage colaps they bet big and made 4 billion playing poker with little old ladies retirement money.

Maybe Jerry del Missier former COO of Barclay's
He lost his job when it was found out he OK with manipulating LIBOR currency rates and making big money ( local boy too grew up on Copper street not far from here. Who knew then he would be the kind of guy to screw old ladies out of pension money )

I am a steel worker.
Nothing corupt about My union and all our financial statements and books are verified and published as are most AFL CIO CLC member unions.
The president of the International in Pitsburge is from my Local.
I know him and I know he is on the level ( got a big bear hug from him last time I sawe him ).
And there are other labour groups around the world.
My comrades in Workers United ( they call me comrade over there not brother or sister like here because we still have the phobia about the word ) not only raise money for strike actions that suported me in the past but other workers in thrid world countries trying ot get a decent standard of living.
Some are murkier like the fellows I know In KCTU from Korea.
Ya they are where we were 30 years ago when acountability was not so well clear cut.
But they are politicaly active.
They are organizing and suporting other unions in developing countries as well as pushing for democarcy as well as anti comunist

Now the CLAK and labour ascociations on the other hand ( Yellow unions that suck up and never strike and raid for member is right to work places ).
Well they never tell you where the money comes from and where it goes.....

 

[Newoldstock]

Hey how about the Chinese right to work?

You guys have that where you are yet?

They have the right to come here and file a human rights complaint because a lot of us think they shoudl probably not be taking jobs from Canadians...

Turns out HD mining got aproval to bring in Chinese workers because they could not hire any Canadian qualified.
One of the things you needed to qualify was speak Chinese ( this is no joke ).

Any of you American long wall coal miners speak Chinese?

Chinese miner launches human rights complaint against union - British Columbia - CBC News

HD mining does not even have a union or workforce.
Just one of the many fights for keeping good jobs my union working on.

 

[125ccCrazy]

Some people do not realize that repeditive jobs cause strain injuries.
The damage is real and culmulative.

Even the great Satan of mining knows that and had at one time a repeditive strain injury program. Back then we called it white hands.....

If your very careful and use the minimum force to do a task ( seriously ) avoid things that shake you to hell ( like power tools ) and avoid lifting anything heavier than 50 pounds you will see your old age with a functional body.

In practice we are expected to lift a lot more than that over our heads.
The tools all shake you till your fillings are loose and you need the grip of a Gorilla to tighten things.
Assembly line work is just as hartd ont he body.
Ask an Autoworker.
Its not so easy just because you see women and smaller people on the line with bigger guys.

Thank You :thumbsup:

people that have never worked in a factory or any job that is repetative over and over and over everyday for 30 years has NO CLUE to the physical damage it has on your body...I get so frigen tired of hearing people say "You make too much money for bolting stuff together".... I guarantee that if they tried it they would change their mind....I've seen several people over the years that hired in and quit by lunch time the same day because they couldn't hack it...I nearly did myself 29 years ago when I hired in.....My back, shoulders, elbos, knees are all worn out not to mention the steel rods and screws I have in my back from an accident at work where the millwright didn't put a safety pin in the carrier......there are days I don't know if I'll make it to the end of the work shift I hurt so bad..

There are no jobs that you only put a bolt or two in anymore...those jobs went away decades ago.... you work your butt off everyday...

anyone that thinks otherwise put your application in for an assembly line job and get back with me in a few years.. Be sure to tell them you will work for half the wages too because they pay too much :thumbsup:

 

[buckeye]

I worked one summer in a factory. Decided right then and there it wasn't for me. I'd be dead by now.:thumbsup:

 

[125ccCrazy]

I worked one summer in a factory. Decided right then and there it wasn't for me. I'd be dead by now.:thumbsup:

it's not easy work like the general public thinks it is....they have done away with the easy jobs years ago.... we don't have sub assembly jobs, floor sweepers, sanitation, etc....those jobs are all gone....we are strictly an assembly plant.... we don't make any of our own parts, it's all made somewhere else and trucked in... I have been on the line for 29 years.... no easy jobs to look forward to at the end of my career...Am I complaining? No I'm thankful for my job even though I get frustrated with the way things are going and how we get treated by managment and the general public.....If the auto industry closed up shop this countery would be done.... the auto industry supports millions of jobs and all those jobs supports untold numbers more in everything from resturants, grocery stores, gas stations ect...

anyone that thinks the price of the cars is due to what we make answer me why the price of cars hasn't gone down since we are working with 1/3 of the employees we were and still producing the same number of cars and more than we were??..... oh and do you think the price of cars will go down 50% when they hire the new people in at half the wages?.......

 

[Newoldstock]

anyone that thinks the price of the cars is due to what we make answer me why the price of cars hasn't gone down since we are working with 1/3 of the employees we were and still producing the same number of cars and more than we were??..... oh and do you think the price of cars will go down 50% when they hire the new people in at half the wages?.......

People do not get it.

To the next person who makes a crack about labour being the problem.
Read previous post.

Want someone to blame for why things are so hahahahaed up?
How about the PR man that has fed you a line of shit for your whole life?
He has been paid a small fortune to spin things for so long you actualy believe nonsence.

Right now I want you to reach into your pocket and take out a coin.
A shiny one.....

Thats nickel.
Cost of the labour to produce the refine electrolytic product in that coin is 7%.
So why am I the bad guy that needs to strike for a year to keep my wage and pension.
Cut my wages by 1/3 and and you save 2%.
Actualy you do not save 2%....
A big German bank gets a cut of that along with Japansese metal trading company and who ever owns Fiat Ferrarie. ( I cant even figuere that one out ).

That 1/3 cut to make a little more money for some rich SOB.
ANd then I can't buy a shiny new Jeep Brother 125ccCrazy builds.....

See the connection?

NOw I will repeat this ONE MORE TIME....

In the past 10 years the productivity of the American worker has increased betweeen 2 and 2.5 percent every year.
Have you seen a raise of half that much?
If you got any raise at all was it even enough to keep up with inflation?

Allow me to dumb it down a little more...
Did you get a raise of about 4% per year every year for the past 10 years?

If the answere is no you have been hahahahaed up the arse.
That is what tradityional was the working man's reward for a productivity increase.
We got to keep about half for ourselves, the rest went to the share holders.
Now the share holders and bosses apear to get it all....

Who has your money?
Think about it...