Since "mini bike of the month" has connotations of technical expertise, insight, creativity, and history, expecting member votes to encompass those qualities in a social networking venue is too high of an expectation. (We're only human) :wink:
I have a lot of experience in various events where "People's Choice" awards are given. It is an emotional vote, not an objective one.
Also, a panel of Judges would illustrate to those who don't post their builds that it was about more than post count or buddy status, thus lending credence to the selection which could result in increased submissions for consideration. (Because I don't have many friends here) :laugh:
I have a lot of experience in various events where "People's Choice" awards are given. It is an emotional vote, not an objective one.
Also, a panel of Judges would illustrate to those who don't post their builds that it was about more than post count or buddy status, thus lending credence to the selection which could result in increased submissions for consideration. (Because I don't have many friends here) :laugh:
valid, logical points...
still not sure on the panel thing... how many on this panel? what would qualify a person to be on this panel? should they be allowed to make an entry? i would think not... they would all cast a vote through pm by a certain time and the winner announced in the thread? should this panel change periodically, other than me, the mod? (I would think so, and would allow those who were previously judging to make an entry). would have to have a list of volunteers for the panel and enough to rotate em through? and substitutes can be chosen off my main list, for those who cannot become involved or no longer wish to be involved?
so for example if the theme of the month works and the theme for December is Vintage Restoration, resto mod, or whatever categories are suggested... the judges for that month would be listed (first contacting each person, from the list, who were chosen to judge for the month and making sure they will participate correct, etc)... or the judge can be kept secret for the month, trusting that i will rotate them through (whatever causes the least amount of silliness)? how do you suggest a panel of judges would work?
still not sure on the panel thing... how many on this panel? what would qualify a person to be on this panel? should they be allowed to make an entry? i would think not... they would all cast a vote through pm by a certain time and the winner announced in the thread? should this panel change periodically, other than me, the mod? (I would think so, and would allow those who were previously judging to make an entry). would have to have a list of volunteers for the panel and enough to rotate em through? and substitutes can be chosen off my main list, for those who cannot become involved or no longer wish to be involved?
so for example if the theme of the month works and the theme for December is Vintage Restoration, resto mod, or whatever categories are suggested... the judges for that month would be listed (first contacting each person, from the list, who were chosen to judge for the month and making sure they will participate correct, etc)... or the judge can be kept secret for the month, trusting that i will rotate them through (whatever causes the least amount of silliness)? how do you suggest a panel of judges would work?
We have enough years of build of records I believe , choose a 3 person panel based on theme in accordance with past builders , keep them secret until the winner is announced or forever even , it's supposed to be for fun and not blood , lol . Certainly you'll have to be a couple months ahead with theme so prospective panel members can opt out if they have a mini to showcase for that month , you are going in the right direction , keep throwing ideas and we'll throw our 2 cents , Where's Buckeye in this discussion , kinda miss him .
That's assuming this is a contest.
Is this a contest? If it is, have the voting. We'll see the same bikes we're already seeing, and it'll be another popularity contest.
If it is a way to spur continued interest in the hobby, don't have a vote. We need a way to garner interest from people currently not bothering to post their bikes or builds. We are already SEEING the rest of the bikes.
Judges: Gerald is one Judge, an OldMiniBikes Representative is another, with the third being the previous month's bike owner.
Is this a contest? If it is, have the voting. We'll see the same bikes we're already seeing, and it'll be another popularity contest.
If it is a way to spur continued interest in the hobby, don't have a vote. We need a way to garner interest from people currently not bothering to post their bikes or builds. We are already SEEING the rest of the bikes.
Judges: Gerald is one Judge, an OldMiniBikes Representative is another, with the third being the previous month's bike owner.
In my opinion this should not be a contest... its Minibike of the Month... can be the mini bike of the month, for a ton of different reasons...
and having three people and simply choosing a bike to showcase, is a simple way to do it... having myself, a person/mod to represent OldMiniBikes and the previous months selection, is a great way to do it...
hopefully this encourages more people to submit their bike.. other than a theme for the month, and certain basic rules, like the bike must be running, complete, etc... should be pretty simple... and as times passes, many different bikes would be showcased, and i would personally enjoy buying each years calendar, and seeing the different bikes throughout the years... like a collection of sorts... different styles, different skill levels, etc...
and having three people and simply choosing a bike to showcase, is a simple way to do it... having myself, a person/mod to represent OldMiniBikes and the previous months selection, is a great way to do it...
hopefully this encourages more people to submit their bike.. other than a theme for the month, and certain basic rules, like the bike must be running, complete, etc... should be pretty simple... and as times passes, many different bikes would be showcased, and i would personally enjoy buying each years calendar, and seeing the different bikes throughout the years... like a collection of sorts... different styles, different skill levels, etc...
otherwise, it would have to be a random selection among qualified entries of a certain standard... and this can be done, by assigning a number to the entry and allowing a computer generated selection process... which, if the panel, shows to be challenging after the first few months, could always go to that...
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1st I would like to give props to G for getting this going :thumbsup:
I like the idea of a panel of judges, I think it should be a panel of anonymous, unbiased and respected members that could be chosen by Hent and the other Mod's :thumbsup: They could be kept the same or changed every so often (as long as buckeye isn't one of them :laugh
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I like the idea of a panel of judges, I think it should be a panel of anonymous, unbiased and respected members that could be chosen by Hent and the other Mod's :thumbsup: They could be kept the same or changed every so often (as long as buckeye isn't one of them :laugh
:shrug:So in summation of this thread so far:
these would be the tentative rules. etc:
Each month a selection is made for Mini Bike of the Month, by a panel of three... The current MBOTM Moderator, An OldMiniBikes representative (to be chosen or determined by Hent or his representative) and the owner of the previous months selection.
Your photo will be placed on the front page of OldMiniBikes and tagged as current Mini Bike of the Month in the Photo Album. In the future, special avatars/badges next to your name may be awarded. You will more than likely be featured in a calendar for the following year. make your photo count, if your background is inappropriate etc, you may not be selected
1) Photo MUST be in the OldMiniBikes Photo Album - Take a look here http://www.oldminibikes.com/forum/ge...test-area.html for instructions on posting into the album. Having the photo hosted elsewhere is unacceptable. (No photobucket, image hosting sites, etc). No OldMiniBikes Attachments, either. The only way to enter a pic for MBOTM is to have it in the OldMiniBikes Photo Album. Any other way of including your picture to this thread will not be a valid entry.
2) Photo must be YOURS, of YOUR Bike!
3) Entries must be received between the 1st and 20th (2359 hours, 11:59pm) of each month in this Forum. Each month will have a new thread for that months selection process. PLEASE PLACE YOUR ENTRY IN THAT THREAD.
4) You may submit your bike(s) as many times as you'd like. Each Bike may only be selected once. Members may only be selected once a year (but you can continued to submit your bikes, each subsequent year). There are only 12 selections being made each year, this helps to ensure other members have a better chance to have their bike showcased.
5) Complete bikes only. Don't post your pile of parts. Thanks.
6)Only post once in the entry thread, with one picture. No chatting, asking questions,etc.
Anyone that posts more than once won't be included (unless it's a double post by accident.).
each month there may be a certain style or category of bike entered into the selection group. this will be stated in advance depending on how many categories are agreed upon, there may be several opportunities to enter a bike into a certain category that year.... if there are only 6 categories, then there will be 2 opportunities to enter into that category for the year....
how does any of this sound... would like more input, or else, i dont have any problem simply moving forward with something and changing as it grows... if you reading through this thread and are a person who will complain about this or that after it began, please be a part of this brainstorming process, or else, you should not complain about how it is being conducted...
these would be the tentative rules. etc:
Each month a selection is made for Mini Bike of the Month, by a panel of three... The current MBOTM Moderator, An OldMiniBikes representative (to be chosen or determined by Hent or his representative) and the owner of the previous months selection.
Your photo will be placed on the front page of OldMiniBikes and tagged as current Mini Bike of the Month in the Photo Album. In the future, special avatars/badges next to your name may be awarded. You will more than likely be featured in a calendar for the following year. make your photo count, if your background is inappropriate etc, you may not be selected
1) Photo MUST be in the OldMiniBikes Photo Album - Take a look here http://www.oldminibikes.com/forum/ge...test-area.html for instructions on posting into the album. Having the photo hosted elsewhere is unacceptable. (No photobucket, image hosting sites, etc). No OldMiniBikes Attachments, either. The only way to enter a pic for MBOTM is to have it in the OldMiniBikes Photo Album. Any other way of including your picture to this thread will not be a valid entry.
2) Photo must be YOURS, of YOUR Bike!
3) Entries must be received between the 1st and 20th (2359 hours, 11:59pm) of each month in this Forum. Each month will have a new thread for that months selection process. PLEASE PLACE YOUR ENTRY IN THAT THREAD.
4) You may submit your bike(s) as many times as you'd like. Each Bike may only be selected once. Members may only be selected once a year (but you can continued to submit your bikes, each subsequent year). There are only 12 selections being made each year, this helps to ensure other members have a better chance to have their bike showcased.
5) Complete bikes only. Don't post your pile of parts. Thanks.
6)Only post once in the entry thread, with one picture. No chatting, asking questions,etc.
Anyone that posts more than once won't be included (unless it's a double post by accident.).
each month there may be a certain style or category of bike entered into the selection group. this will be stated in advance depending on how many categories are agreed upon, there may be several opportunities to enter a bike into a certain category that year.... if there are only 6 categories, then there will be 2 opportunities to enter into that category for the year....
how does any of this sound... would like more input, or else, i dont have any problem simply moving forward with something and changing as it grows... if you reading through this thread and are a person who will complain about this or that after it began, please be a part of this brainstorming process, or else, you should not complain about how it is being conducted...
1st I would like to give props to G for getting this going :thumbsup:
I like the idea of a panel of judges, I think it should be a panel of anonymous, unbiased and respected members that could be chosen by Hent and the other Mod's :thumbsup: They could be kept the same or changed every so often (as long as buckeye isn't one of them :laugh:shrug:
I like the idea of a panel of judges, I think it should be a panel of anonymous, unbiased and respected members that could be chosen by Hent and the other Mod's :thumbsup: They could be kept the same or changed every so often (as long as buckeye isn't one of them :laugh
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I do think the previous winner is an easy way to keep people in rotation, it would be a new person each month... and then a consistent mod and the other mod or representative of OldMiniBikes can be chosen by Hent or representative... the only way to keep the panel anonymous would be a sort of shoulder tap... and then a person may not want to do it, or may not be available, etc... with it being a the owner of the previous selection, he is going into his entry knowing that if his bike is selected, he is expected to help with the next months selection process... or is what you saying simpler than how im looking at it? def like the idea, just have to settle on something, so offering a counter
Perhaps my verbage is not clear , if you have a panel of 3 or all is it not voting ? If it's not some form of a contest what is it ? The bike chosen gets posted ( is he the winner of that month ) , as it should , anonymous judges may be a good idea , winner of previous month to be on panel seems fine to me too and clearly we'll see the same bikes as we are all already on the site and posting what we do and what we have , All good to me , I'm in anyway you do it !
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a contest to me, is more of a "my bike is better than yours" or more popular than yours, etc... and should have very specific guidelines and a way to judge it in a very specific way... and may have a certain prize to win. whereas a mini bike of the month, or babe of the month, or anything of the month, is more of showcasing something or someone and a person selected could have been for many different reasons... not saying the person selected is better than the next, etc... where as a miss America pageant is more of a contest... the build off is a contest... i dont think this should be structured that same way... limiting the selection process is beneficial in my opinion as it would seemingly cut alot of the drama out... there should always be a bike to showcase and if someone wants to have theirs selected, just keep on entering and dont let a previous selection deter this...
if there were only one qualified entrant, then his bike would be showcased period... if there were 12 entries for the entire year and each time a person was featured and could not enter again, then by the end of the year all 12 will have been selected... in a contest, there should always be more than one contestant and a judging process or voting process, which in that case, may end up being the more liked person, or the more popular person, etc... there are other threads for that... hope this makes sense
if there were only one qualified entrant, then his bike would be showcased period... if there were 12 entries for the entire year and each time a person was featured and could not enter again, then by the end of the year all 12 will have been selected... in a contest, there should always be more than one contestant and a judging process or voting process, which in that case, may end up being the more liked person, or the more popular person, etc... there are other threads for that... hope this makes sense
Good stuff G. Especially with what you have been going through.
I think the person who volunteered to moderate this endeavor, is the one making the decisions.
So far, everything G has contributed is much more reasonable than any other.
You go man.
Thankful it isn't a popularity contest. Certainly wouldn't want a undeserving person to have their bike featured..
I think the person who volunteered to moderate this endeavor, is the one making the decisions.
So far, everything G has contributed is much more reasonable than any other.
You go man.
Thankful it isn't a popularity contest. Certainly wouldn't want a undeserving person to have their bike featured..
Some what perhaps , if you pick a bike for the month for however many or however few reasons it seems it would have been the best for that theme or chosen criteria , thus we have a ( chosen mini ) winner , as I said way previously it's for fun ( I'm assuming ) and I don't think I ever called it a contest and I'm loving it all whatever you choose to do , all good !