Nitrous people please step inside.

#42
it was on my minibike...had to retire the frame it tried to kill me a few times..found out the extreme pull of the 390 on the juice bent the frame and the one inch axel in the rear. have a new frame I'm transferring everything over to now should be back running soon.
trying to get my supercharged boxer up at the same time..takes forever
 
#43
Can't claim to be the fastest if you got beat.

I'm not claiming to be the fastest either though.
That 150-180 foot wasn't what I was ready for.

Hazardous waste is in October. We will have the same track to run again.
Oh you know it brother. We are 1-1 me vs you. Though I was on motor with a nitrous jet spread the first race. But who's counting right?!?
 
#44
I would run a camp stove style fuel bottle that has the thumb pump on it then plumb it to the wet solenoid
Your not going to use more than a quart in a pass it will allow you to provide fuel pressure needed with out plumbing a fuel pump a pressure regulator and the wiring mess that goes with it
I constantly have to tell my self K.I.S.S
(Keep it simple stupid)
Or I'll over think things



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#46
OP
My Dad runs a wet kit on a World Formula engine. Not sure which kit exactly, but it was made for single cylinder, came with bottle, 2 solenoids, fuel pump, lines, and generic jets, he ordered more for tuning. We had to add a battery and a switch. I def wouldn't call it a mess of wiring. There are a ton of tuning hours/runs on the bike but it runs fast and safe. I think he is using a Walbro carb, forget what size. But we had to change both jets until we reached a point where we were just changing fuel jets. Reading the plug after each change told us whether there was more in it or not.

You're already running a solenoid, etc so adding another solenoid and fuel pump shouldn't be a big deal. Then your bike should run fine without the nitrous and only add the extra fuel when nitrous is engaged.
 
#47
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My Dad runs a wet kit on a World Formula engine. Not sure which kit exactly, but it was made for single cylinder, came with bottle, 2 solenoids, fuel pump, lines, and generic jets, he ordered more for tuning. We had to add a battery and a switch. I def wouldn't call it a mess of wiring. There are a ton of tuning hours/runs on the bike but it runs fast and safe. I think he is using a Walbro carb, forget what size. But we had to change both jets until we reached a point where we were just changing fuel jets. Reading the plug after each change told us whether there was more in it or not.

You're already running a solenoid, etc so adding another solenoid and fuel pump shouldn't be a big deal. Then your bike should run fine without the nitrous and only add the extra fuel when nitrous is engaged.
I just have such a small battery running the single solenoid... That when I added a fuel pump and an extra solenoid I imagine it would draw too many amps to run it for very long, IF at all. So I'd constantly have to recharge it. Just solenoids would probably be okay, but a pump draws a lot.
 
#50
I use the anti-gravity battery its a lithium ion battery. measurements are 4x2x3 and it has 210cca. it is expensive around 110 bucks but it ran two solenoids fuel pump and a oil pump all day no problems.
 
#51
I use the anti-gravity battery its a lithium ion battery. measurements are 4x2x3 and it has 210cca. it is expensive around 110 bucks but it ran two solenoids fuel pump and a oil pump all day no problems.
I've been using my buddies flounder light battery and I'm very impressed so far. Haven't charged it one time since I installed it... I also need to find one that can be charged on my 420cc engine. Those lithium ones would be good for my little bike and the regular battery for my 420 so it can charge.
 
#52
the antigravity batteries come in different sizes and shapes they don't weight much either can be used with the charging system on motorcycles and minibikes they also have a lot more power than regular battries
 
#53
the antigravity batteries come in different sizes and shapes they don't weight much either can be used with the charging system on motorcycles and minibikes they also have a lot more power than regular battries
I'll suggest them to my buddy for his 420cc bike. I wonder if they will have enough cranking amps
 
#54
I think I get what you mean by the pressurized fuel cell idea. You want to have nitrous on one side of the tee, and fuel on the other. A valve on the third nipple opens to the intake and the pressure in the fuel from the nitrous cross-feeding pushes the fuel out of the reservoir as the nitrous bottle loses pressure.

Is this what you're getting at?
 
#55
I think I get what you mean by the pressurized fuel cell idea. You want to have nitrous on one side of the tee, and fuel on the other. A valve on the third nipple opens to the intake and the pressure in the fuel from the nitrous cross-feeding pushes the fuel out of the reservoir as the nitrous bottle loses pressure.

Is this what you're getting at?
Yep basically ... Or just putting a pulse pump on the reserve fuel cell. I think a pulse pump can make the psi maybe.
 
#56
Yep basically ... Or just putting a pulse pump on the reserve fuel cell. I think a pulse pump can make the psi maybe.
Well...I'm assuming the nitrous in a bottle is liquid that boils off in the bottle itself, like propane, right? And nitrous bottles are pressurized at about 1000PSI in that case. A pulse pump only produces a fuel pressure equivalent to the peak pressure in the crankcase after the intake and ignition strokes. I don't know what that pressure would be in a 4-stroke, but it's less then a 2-stroke and my snowmobile puts out around 5PSI.
 
#57
Yep basically ... Or just putting a pulse pump on the reserve fuel cell. I think a pulse pump can make the psi maybe.
Now with this setup, you're going to have cross-flow and the fuel dissolve in the NO2, basically making a bomb. I wouldn't want the fuel and NO2 to mix until after it's in the manifold. If by chance it decides to ignite there, you're alot safer.

Now with a Venturi setup, nothing mixes if it's not flowing. Also, you have the benefit of jetting the fuel and NO2 individually. Since my dad owns a machine shop, I'll be doing some experimenting sometime.
 
#58
Well...I'm assuming the nitrous in a bottle is liquid that boils off in the bottle itself, like propane, right? And nitrous bottles are pressurized at about 1000PSI in that case. A pulse pump only produces a fuel pressure equivalent to the peak pressure in the crankcase after the intake and ignition strokes. I don't know what that pressure would be in a 4-stroke, but it's less then a 2-stroke and my snowmobile puts out around 5PSI.
Correct, in a pressurized form it's liquid and once it hits atmosphere it turns to a gas.
So if you do a shark nozzle where the fuel is sprayed in front of the nitrous, the nitrous would push the fuel and atomize it. You could also run a wet type of kit after the carb as opposed to running the dry shot before the carb so that the nitrous can pull the extra fuel it needs as it goes by.
 
#59
Now with this setup, you're going to have cross-flow and the fuel dissolve in the NO2, basically making a bomb. I wouldn't want the fuel and NO2 to mix until after it's in the manifold. If by chance it decides to ignite there, you're alot safer.

Now with a Venturi setup, nothing mixes if it's not flowing. Also, you have the benefit of jetting the fuel and NO2 individually. Since my dad owns a machine shop, I'll be doing some experimenting sometime.
Nitrous isn't flammable so worst case senario with a wet kit would be it fuel puddling inside or right after the carb causing a nitrous backfire and maybe blow the carb off the engine. Like they do on street outlaws.
 
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